Received: from opus.hpl.hp.com (opus-fddi.hpl.hp.com) by jr.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.24/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA261635568; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:19:28 -0700 Return-Path: <levb@pointcast.com-DeleteThis> Received: from hplms26.hpl.hp.com by opus.hpl.hp.com with ESMTP (1.37.109.24/15.5+ECS 3.3+HPL1.1) id AA155475567; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:19:27 -0700 Received: from hqca1-exs2.pointcast.com (wks32-67.pointcast.com [208.219.32.67]) by hplms26.hpl.hp.com (8.8.6/8.8.6 HPLabs Relay) with ESMTP id KAA11761 for <wind_talk@opus.hpl.hp.com-DeleteThis>; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by hqca1-exs2.pointcast.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id <P56RKCK4>; Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:16:36 -0700 Message-Id: <9EC798FE84C8D1119CA0006097743AA02D300B@hq-exs1.pointcast.com-DeleteThis> From: Lev Belov <levb@pointcast.com-DeleteThis> To: "'wind_talk@opus.hpl.hp.com-DeleteThis'" <wind_talk@opus.hpl.hp.com-DeleteThis> Subject: RE: Best place to practice waterstarts Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 10:16:21 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Here's my take... It all depends on how much you weight :-)
For lightweights Alameda and Shoreline are awesome places to learn, for
the 13-16 mph winds they usually get are just enough to waterstart and
not get OP.
For me (#215) Coyote was the place, although I have to agree with Kirk
that this year it's not a good place to learn as the wind is usually
kinda bad on the inside. When I was learning there (basically, late
1996 and early 1997) it actually was pretty good as the wind was blowing
into the 20s outside and was consistently at 17-18 mph at the beach. So
I'd beachstart, go to the windline (that usually was just near the
swimming area markers), and then practice waterstarting back.
One other benefit of learning at Coyote is that you learn how to use
stronger winds and the swells to help you clear the sail and get up
quicker right from the very beginning. I know of a few people who
learned to waterstart in flat water, and then had to basically learn it
again, in the chop.
- Lev
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dmitri Medvedev [SMTP:dmitri@tsoft.com-DeleteThis]
> Sent: Friday, July 31, 1998 9:29 AM
> To: Multiple recipients of list
> Subject: RE: Best place to practice waterstarts
>
> Thanks for the info. What about Crown beach in Alameda and Sherman
> island? I hear both places have shallow areas that are good to learn
> waterstarts.
>
> Also, I wonder how many of these places have rental shops close to
> them in case you need a different sail or a board. I know that
> Coyote has ASD. I guess Coyote can be okay to learn waterstarts
> after all if you stay close to the shore?
>
> Dmitri
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wind_talk@opus.hpl.hp.com-DeleteThis [mailto:wind_talk@opus.hpl.hp.com-DeleteThis]On
> > Behalf Of Kirk Lindstrom
> > Sent: Friday, July 31, 1998 7:30 AM
> > To: Multiple recipients of list
> > Subject: Re: Best place to practice waterstarts
> >
> >
> > I would suggest that Coyote Pt is the WORST place to learn
> waterstarts.
> >
> > This yr, the wind has often been dead inside. I went there from
> > Shoreline after I'd done a few waterstarts and it was awful as
> people
> > say "rig 5oh" as it is blowing 22 outside and yet it is only 6-12
> > inside. You often get swells inside from the outside wind and yet
> not
> > enough wind for even us oldies to get a waterstart until we get a
> puff.
> >
> > Where I really learned was at San Luis where you can walk back
> upwind
> > still in the water. Only later did I hear of 3rd Ave... Third, when
> the
> > tide is right is also great as you can walk all the way to the
> channel
> > so you can stand for waterstarts in both directions and not worry
> about
> > tides bringing you downwind as you get your sail in position.
> >
> > Haskens for Flying Tigers would be good as I liked Tigers old launch
> due
> > to high wind and the ability to stand and rest on either side of the
> > small inlet. Water is Flat there which is nice too. Great for
> learning
> > waterstarts.
> >
> > Candlestick is good if you start way upwind as you can always swim
> your
> > board in if you get blown downwind and walk it back. Just be
> careful to
> > measure how fast you can swim your gear in (don't derig) vs how far
> you
> > get blown downwind.
> >
> > Crisy often sucks for waterstart learning just like Coyote due to
> large
> > wind shadow near shore.
> >
> > I'd get Rhonda Smith's or one of the Gorge school's (I forget)
> > waterstart video....The high wind waterstart one is great for
> teaching
> > waterstarting at Coyote and 3rd with the swell/chop
> >
> > Good Luck!
> > Kirk out
> >
> > ASD epoxy: 8'8" & 9' RKT & 9'6" no-nose CS, F2 Xantos285
> > Wt 230#, Ht. 6'0", Usually sail on SF Bay, Cailf.
> > kirk_lindstrom@sj.hp.com-DeleteThis
> >
> > >
> > > Dmitri Medvedev wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Can anyone suggest a good location to practice waterstarts?
> > > > I just learned how to waterstart in the ABK camp but we didn't
> > > > have enough wind the next day for me to successfully waterstart
> > > > once (I had a small rental sail). I guess an ideal waterstart
> > > > location should be shallow so that you can clear the sail more
> > > > easily to focus more on the technique. Thanks,
> > >
> > > I would suggest Coyote Point. It has a large sand beach and
> usually
> > > you get enough wind on the beach to waterstart. You can just
> > > walk a bit along the beach to get up-wind, the water is quite warm
> > > too.
> > >
> > > But, please DO NOT do this in the launch area, move to the left or
> > > to the right part of the beach.
> > >
> > > Have fun
> > >
> > > Vladimir
> >
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