X-OldHeader: From levb@12.com-DeleteThis.com Wed May 23 18:02:11 2001 Return-Path: <levb@12.com-DeleteThis.com> Received: from opus.labs.agilent.com (root@opus.labs.agilent.com-DeleteThis.com [130.29.244.179]) by jr.labs.agilent.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 AgilentLabs Workstation) with ESMTP id SAA05974 for <wind_talk_ls@jr.labs.agilent.com-DeleteThis.com>; Wed, 23 May 2001 18:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from msgbas2.sgp.agilent.com (msgbas2.sgp.agilent.com [141.183.101.231]) by opus.labs.agilent.com (8.9.3 (PHNE_18979)/8.9.3 AgilentLabs Workstation) with ESMTP id SAA07331 for <wind_talk@opus.labs.agilent.com-DeleteThis.com>; Wed, 23 May 2001 18:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta.12.com (unknown [65.198.8.41]) by msgbas2.sgp.agilent.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 68803206 for <wind_talk@opus.labs.agilent.com-DeleteThis.com>; Thu, 24 May 2001 09:02:10 +0800 (SGP) Received: (qmail 20633 invoked from network); 24 May 2001 01:00:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mail01.twelve.com) (10.12.10.12) by mta.12.com with SMTP; 24 May 2001 01:00:00 -0000 Received: by mail01.twelve.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <L3YPG3D3>; Wed, 23 May 2001 18:02:07 -0700 Message-ID: <6C6EBABD62C0BD48B79A649DBE14269E1CA87E@mail01.twelve.com-DeleteThis.com> From: Lev Brouk <levb@12.com-DeleteThis.com> To: "'wind_talk@opus.labs.agilent.com-DeleteThis.com'" <wind_talk@opus.labs.agilent.com-DeleteThis.com> Subject: RE: Breakdown report at 3rd yesterday Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 18:02:06 -0700 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19)
So on this subject... any opinions on relative durability of tendon vs.
rubber joints?
I've been sailing tendons for the last few years, changing the tendons once
a year. So far, 1 breakdown (in the break at Waddell, so no problems
getting back). But it seems like lots of people favor the rubber hourglass
things - why? Would love to hear any comments.
- Lev
-----Original Message-----
From: Allen H Zimmermann [mailto:allen.zimmermann@gte.net-DeleteThis.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:57 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list WIND_TALK
Subject: Re: Breakdown report at 3rd yesterday
Listen, replace all masts, booms and mast bases every two to three seasons
(depending on mileage etc.). Check lines, fin screws and footstrap screws
every few sessions. Change your oil every 3,000. Have a nice life.
P.S. One comment on two bolt mast bases. You cannot put your rig way back
in your mast or way forward. The two bolts reduce your adjustment by quite
a bit. I sail mostly high wind and I like my rigs back in the mast track.
For me, the two bolt is unacceptable. A one bolt, rubber hourglass mast
base (Windsurf Hawaii or Chinook etc.) is a good way to go.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Harris" <harris@skolar.com-DeleteThis.com>
To: "Multiple recipients of list WIND_TALK"
<wind_talk@opus.labs.agilent.com-DeleteThis.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Breakdown report at 3rd yesterday
>
>
> Since breaking my uni happened to me just this week as well and has
happened
> before and I'm semi-opinionated about the issue... here are my thoughts.
>
> I was in the middle of the ebb at Crissy closer to Sausilito than SF and
my uni
> broke as I landed a jump. I have the double bolted black-hourglass type
of uni
> w/ the webbing. I jibed, then sailed in on a plane, although unhooked
just to
> be conservative w/ how much pressure I was putting on top of the board,
webbing,
> etc. No damage to board, the webbing kept the whole thing intact aside
from
> being a little wobbly.
>
> One year ago, my uni-tendon snapped which forced me to sail / waterstart
> position sail my way back in from the channel at third. I found it not
very
> easy to waterstart w/ no real connection to my board other than grinding
the
> sail straight down into my board. Sort of sailable if your willing to
kill your
> deck, which I didn't feel all that good about. My deck still got messed
up
> anyway since I didn't do a full self rescue. And doing a self rescue out
at
> Crissy or a slow deck crunching sail would not have been much fun with as
fast
> as the ebb was going.
>
> I've also both had my uni separate from my board at the level of the bolt,
where
> a safety line doesn't do any good and very nearly done so a second time
since it
> simply loosened up on the deck.
>
> Lessons I've learned: 1) Use two bolts, I've never had a problem of the
base
> coming undone or becoming loose from the board in such a case. The fact
is
> losing your board at some of the sites we all sail in can potentially turn
into
> a very scary situation. Which is also why during a self rescue I keep a
rope to
> tie myself to my board. And while the ebb may help save you a walk, it's
also
> far more likely to keep you out in the water much longer since it pulls
you
> directly away from shore. Lesson 2) Use the webbing: it keeps everything
intact
> rather than having the sail attached by a wobbly rope. I jibed and planed
in w/
> no damage to my deck and I could have been back on the water w/ a new uni
in 10
> minutes if I wanted.
>
> greg
>
>
> Dave Polzer wrote:
>
> > Good to hear all went well... just thought I'd add my 2 cents...
> >
> > I've had the same breakdown occur to me and was very greatful for the
saftey
> > rope that ties the 2 universal pieces together. If you dont have that 3"
> > rope then make sure you add one.. I had seen my buddy have the exact
same
> > breakdown and he was able to sail it back in with just the saftey rope
> > attaching the sail to board but his board took quite a beating....
> >
> > Here is where my good fortune came in and I thought I'd just pass it
> > along... I've always used a volcano pad around the universal due to the
> > numerous times I'd kick it stubbing my toe... but it also came in handy
> > after my universal broke. It served as adaquate padding to save my board
> > from the pounding of the mast while getting get back in.
> >
> > So needless to say now I try and never sail without a Volcano Pad and I
pay
> > a great deal of attention to the saftey line and or webbing on my
> > universals.. because the do work. Was I ever happy to not only make back
in
> > but also with a completely unharmed board.
> >
> > See ya at third!
> >
> > Dave Polzer
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jonathan Hahn" <hahn@unetix.com-DeleteThis.com>
> > To: "Multiple recipients of list WIND_TALK"
> > <wind_talk@opus.labs.agilent.com-DeleteThis.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 12:10 PM
> > Subject: Breakdown report at 3rd yesterday
> >
> > >
> > > I had a breakdown yesterday at 3rd, but I couldn't have been too much
> > > luckier...
> > >
> > > I was out enjoying the conditions out in the channel yesterday
> > > well-powered on a 5.5m2 when my board (ASD 9'0") simply shot out from
> > > under me and left me holding my rig (and sinking). The pin that
> > > connects my universal joint to the board sheared at the rubber of the
> > > universal. This is the second time I have experienced pin shear like
> > > this but that's not too bad for over 15 years of windsurfing. I've
> > > never experienced a rubber universal itself failing. My universals
are
> > > probably over 5 years old, so perhaps I had it coming. They are
Mistral
> > > systems that I bought at a Vela summer sail.
> > >
> > > I ditched the rig and swam for the board which was being prodded away
> > > from me by the swell in the channel. Eventually I caught it and
brought
> > > it back to the rig which was still afloat. I would guess you have a
few
> > > minutes before it's unrecoverable. Fortunately, another sailor
(Akram?)
> > > was in the vicinity and stopped to help me. He helped me stabilize my
> > > board and rig while I ran a line under my mast track adapter and
through
> > > the nylon u-joint safety webbing. It took a few attempts but we
finally
> > > got it as tight as possible, but that still had about 6 inches of
play.
> > > We were lucky that it was ebbing and so we didn't get blown downwind
> > > while we were doing this. I'd guess it took about 10 minutes or so.
> > >
> > > Then I tried waterstarting. This took many attempts and failures but
I
> > > once I got up with the mast positioned properly on the board (up wind
of
> > > the mast track) I was underway and even able to hook in. I stayed out
> > > of the footstraps since the dynamics of sailing this configuration
were
> > > very weird and took contortions to maintain my course. But still, I
was
> > > able to sail non-stop about 3/4 the way in from beyond the middle of
the
> > > channel. Once I dropped, I just walked the rest of the way since the
> > > tide was out and my board was getting screwed up.
> > >
> > > The mast scratched and caused a depression in my board, but other than
> > > that, I survived the episode unscathed. I never really thought about
> > > how I'd connect a mast to the board in an emergency before , but I now
> > > realize that being able to tie something to the mast track is very
> > > important.
> > >
> > > Thanks to Akram and everyone who stopped to check up on me.
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
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